
Subverting the Norm
Josie Roebuck
January 5, 2023 | In conversation with Kenzie Eberhart, photographed by Elijah Garitson and Daniel Iroh. Assistance by Romond DuVal Jr.
Josie Love Roebuck is an interdisciplinary artist from Tennesse(ish) with a knack for using her art as a mirror for her lived experiences. Settled in a bright art-filled apartment just outside of Cincinnati, we were able to spend some time chatting through her journey as a creative.
What was growing up in Tennessee like? And what inspired you to start creating?
Very weird. So I’m actually from Georgia. I only tell people I’m from Tennessee because no one knows where I live. So within Chattanooga Tennessee, there is a mountain called Lookout Mountain. It split between Georgia and Tennessee. I’m on the Georgia side. Growing up everything I did was in Tennessee so I just said I’m from Tennessee. I grew up on a farm, so that was fun, I liked to ride horses a lot. But it was also very isolating. There were literally no neighbors.
Then, you know, growing up being adopted by a white family brings its challenges, kind of exploring: How do I fit in? In the school I went to, I was the only Black student in my class. There were only 5 Black students in the entire high school. So that was kind of always a challenge. Where do I belong? How do I identify? There were some joys of it too, learning how to be a part of a family that wasn't my blood. Figuring out how we see different sides and points of view, but also figuring out how we can have these discussions and go through that process has kind of been nice to experience. The challenge was finding my people in Tennessee.
What was growing up in Tennessee like? And what inspired you to start creating?
Very weird. So I’m actually from Georgia. I only tell people I’m from Tennessee because no one knows where I live. So within Chattanooga Tennessee, there is a mountain called Lookout Mountain. It split between Georgia and Tennessee. I’m on the Georgia side. Growing up everything I did was in Tennessee so I just said I’m from Tennessee. I grew up on a farm, so that was fun, I liked to ride horses a lot. But it was also very isolating. There were literally no neighbors.
Then, you know, growing up being adopted by a white family brings its challenges, kind of exploring: How do I fit in? In the school I went to, I was the only Black student in my class. There were only 5 Black students in the entire high school. So that was kind of always a challenge. Where do I belong? How do I identify? There were some joys of it too, learning how to be a part of a family that wasn't my blood. Figuring out how we see different sides and points of view, but also figuring out how we can have these discussions and go through that process has kind of been nice to experience. The challenge was finding my people in Tennessee.
That is really beautiful. I’m interested to know more about your creative ritual. It could be beneficial to hear for taking those deep feelings and experiences and then translating them physically into the artistic process.
It depends on the experience I’m sharing. Sometimes when I’m creating that piece I am so excited for, I can’t wait to piece it all together and figure out whether I’m exploring something that is more triumphant or sharing more pain. I go back and forth. Wrestling between being super excited but also dreading it.
I do a lot of reading and writing, so there is a lot of research that goes into [my art]. It’s not just pulling from my own lived experiences. It's asking my friends and connecting to what’s currently going on in the world. Trying to bring my own experiences but also connecting them to others’ so they can maybe step into my shoes and heal through that process. In the end, even if it's painful, I want something beautiful to come from it to show that growth.
I love that statement – the pain and the beauty.
Without pain, you can’t overcome things. You can’t grow as a person. Which is sad to think about, but it provides a lot of perspectives.
Do you feel this way of thinking has shown you the most personal and artistic growth?
There have been a lot of little things that have not been so great in my life (like anyone’s life). Life is messy. You can’t really control any aspect of it. Sometimes we like to bottle it up, but my process is just creating from it so I don’t have that bottled feeling. I can be a happier person.
Therapeutic?
Yes. Absolutely.
You spoke a lot about pain and how art helps you grasp what you go through. When did that start for you? I can’t imagine as a 6-year-old you knew how to deal with the pain and feel like “I know exactly what to do”.
It was when I became more serious about art, it's something that I’ve done since I was little. My mom threw me into art classes, and in high school, I took ceramics and sculpture classes because it was something that I just enjoyed. It was something fun alongside doing my sports. It was probably my junior year of college when I got more serious and focused on important topics. That was when the #MeToo Movement started. Well, it happened prior to that, but it picked up again in 2018. It was something I was passionate about — something I wanted to share. It started from there. At that time I was doing the figures while sharing that pain through that process. But also exploring what that looked like. How can I share these experiences through the human body? Grad school became more personal — meaning I started using my portraits to express different stories that I was trying to convey through that process. It has continued since.
Speaking of grad school … DAAP: Is that what brought you to Cincinnati?
Yes. I came here in 2019, straight from undergrad to this program. I questioned a lot of things. I came in as a painter and then quickly discovered through critiques and not being happy with the quality of the work, that paintings weren’t working. I explored mixing my painting style with embroidery techniques, and that is how my work has evolved since then. Now I use a lot of different materials. I incorporate painting, screenprinting, and dry mediums such as charcoal or pastel. And then I stitch into all the layers using yarn and fabric for clothing. I am embracing the multi-media approach with these pieces which I now attribute to my identity of being biracial. It kind of shows how I am piecing all of that together to in a sense, find wholeness through that process.
Could you walk us through some of your favorite pieces here?
This piece here is a study for my class I did this summer. I got to create a special 2D studio that focused on screenprinting and textiles. I really like it, so it hangs there as a study for myself to explore how to make a piece larger. This one is me as a child and my older brother. It is titled, We Are Blood 3 or 4. It is inspired by a poem my mom wrote to me on my 18th birthday. It explains why I was adopted, and how I am a part of this family even though I am not of their own blood. It pushes that wholeness that I’ve been searching for. That piece was exploring lost childhood memories and bearing through old photographs. I have a younger brother and he is biracial and adopted as well from different families. He will often come into my work. People will ask if we are twins. I also explore his identity through that process. I was talking about our experiences growing up for a show last year to see if they were similar or different. Funny enough, I discovered we had different growing-up experiences. For me, I questioned my family and being white. He never questioned that. He questioned all of his friends being white. We pieced together those different experiences of feeling like an outsider.
One thing I’m curious to know is how you decide when a piece is finished or not.
Usually, I have a gut reaction when I know something is fully complete. My piece “Enough” was completed last semester, but I actually finished it yesterday because I added more pieces to it. There are times when I think something is finished but will go back and change something. Usually, I will have this excited feeling that comes over me when I know “Oh, she’s done”, and I can put it to bed in a way. Usually, I just listen to my gut.
At what point in your life did you feel like you were a real artist?
I have that feeling now, but there is a lot more I would like to do with my career. I am not where I want to be quite yet. I guess it was the year after I graduated. I had a show at NADA House in New York that summer and got featured in New York Times. That was the tipping point where now I made it. I’m now an artist. Things got super crazy in a good way with a lot of shows. But, I am not in a state where I can quit teaching to pay my bills. My ultimate goal is to be a full-time artist. I’m there, but I will be more of an artist when I get to that goal.
Within your work, I feel like you’re documenting little snippets of your own world. If you could create an entirely new world, what would it look like?
Oh, that is a tough one. In my new world, I would take away pain.
Then no art?
There would still be art in a way, but giving people joy in different ways through that process. There would be a lot less hate in the world, and fewer mass shootings if I could have anything that I could control. Also, people wouldn’t judge each other. It’s something we see every day and it shouldn’t be an issue at this point in time, but for some reason, we keep repeating past histories instead of learning from those mistakes. That is what I would change, stop repeating things and grow from that.
This photoshoot and conversation took place in January 2023.
See more of Josie: @josieloveroebuckstudio
www.josielroebuck.net
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