Subverting the Norm
Cierra Fogle
January 11-12, 2023 | In conversation with Romond DuVal, photographed by Ellen Stevenot and Emma Sulfsted
In early January, we met up with Cierra Fogle in her studio just outside Cincinnati’s Findlay Market. It’s a tucked-away community of creatives coexisting in a storied, sort of abandoned, warehouse. Last year, we kicked it here with local band Saving Escape for Issue 006’s “In the Zone.” That was definitely a shameless plug to cop the last issue if you haven’t.
Cierra (@sadfishsadfish) greeted us with a wide smile and a rather thoughtfully layered outfit that I would later realize mimicked her artwork. She let us into her carefully curated space and walked us through the memories that warmed us — despite the January weather kicking our asses. We took a lap through her studio and sensed that this was much more than a place to work. It was a heartfelt collection of memories and emotions. It was the personification of an artist showering in nostalgia, bathing in emotion, and repeating the process over and over again. The walls were decorated with work that felt like scenes from her memories — matches from Lost and Found (a Cincy staple), carnations that remind her of her grandma, an unpaid bill (felt.), and of course, a weed bag.
Shortly into our tour, Cierra lit a joint and popped in her favorite cassette tape. She then blessed us with some live painting, painlessly danced to Spanish music, and talked to us about graffiti, painting naked people on stage, and reminding herself that she’s “that bitch.”
Alright, to start, on our social media, we do a monthly segment called the “Fuck Withs” where we see what the staff is into. So, right now, what’s Cierra fucking with?
Right now I’m really fucking with industrial fashion and music. When I say industrial I think of industrial goth — lots of bass, percussion, and music you can feel in your chest, and it makes you jump and move your body in random ways that you normally wouldn’t. And I’m really fucking with dancing at rave clubs right now.
That’s so fire. What are your top artists at the moment?
Dean Blunt for sure. He’s experimental and dives into rap and jazz but also makes really ambient, weird noise. I also love Ethiopian jazz right now — it really feels grounding for me. And trap metal. I like to drive to it and paint to it — when I'm in the mood and I want some adrenaline. Buddha Savage and Rico Nasty, too (she’s so hard).
What was it like growing up in Cincinnati?
I feel like when I was younger, I felt pretty stagnant and I wanted to do a lot. Where I grew up, there weren't a lot of places that you could walk to. So, before I could drive, I definitely spent a lot of time alone and would do art and write a lot. I’d listen to a lot of music, too. But as I grew up I found that there were so many pockets within the city that I don't think I appreciated until I moved away for a residency a few years ago. So when I came back I really appreciated it.Let's talk about your dreams for the future. How do you see yourself pervading with your art—concerning the environment—socially? I know you're in urban planning [major], so how do you see yourself there?
What got you into creating?
I really needed some type of release. My sister, she really loves to sing, so I always felt like there was something going on in the house. My parents were really supportive, too, even though they weren't super artistic people themselves, but they really appreciate it. They loved to see us paint and do whatever it was we were passionate about. So, yeah that's where it all started.
What were you holding onto that you needed to release?
I felt very silenced. Especially in the schools I went to. They weren't very uplifting about having kids speak and, as a Black kid, they weren’t really interested in what I had to say. So, I needed somewhere to say the things I wanted to say — somewhere where I could be completely honest and not have to hold back.
Yeah, definitely. The work you do is very human and very vulnerable. How do you feel those words, human and vulnerable, relate to your art style?
I feel like my art is really honest, and it gives a vibe of nonconformity which I really, really need in my life. And my art is a space where I can build on that. Not having to conform to anything in any way and it's almost like an escape in that way.
F*ck, that fits the theme of this issue — subversion — so perfectly. Could you tell me more about the space you work in? What does it mean to you?
I really enjoy the space I work in. I mean, like I was saying during our shoot, it has no rules. So I just feel like the opportunities are endless and that's been really inspiring to me — to not have any boundaries to hide behind. There's also a lot of space and it’s 24 hours which is really important to me because I like to work at weird times, or I like to keep myself in a spot when I'm working for a long time. But the “no rules” part is amazing because I can make dirty art in there.
Whether it be in this space or at home, how would you describe your creative ritual?
I like to always have everything I need around me so I know that I can stay and take as much time with something that I need. So I feel like my ritual is to be prepared. To be prepared; to be unprepared.
Tell us about CHANGE and what that residency meant to you.
Change feels really necessary and very comfortable for me. It might be hard but we still need to find ways to get through it and find ways to cope with things that are changing. It maybe gets a little uncomfortable but I feel like art is a really good way to heal through that process and assure yourself that you’re still here. You're still grounded. And you can still do and create amazing things, even when you're experiencing things that you don't want to feel.
What are you trying to change right now?
I think, within myself, I'm trying to change my impulses with art, and be more patient with my pieces. I think that doing that helps me be more patient throughout life. It all starts sometimes with my art pieces — knowing that I can be patient with [my art] because I can be patient with other things that are happening.
What would you say inspires your art the most?
Conversations with others and dreams really inspire my work — whether it be real, sleeping dreams, or daydreams that I have. I daydream a lottt. Especially when I was a kid. I was always a very imaginative person and I feel like that has really bled into the work that I do.
Let’s talk about hair a little bit. In the piece you showed us above your couch, you had some of your locs in it, and I saw some similar elements when I was walking around your space. As a Black creative, why do you think your hair is so important to you?
My hair is so sacred to me. My mom and my sister are the only people who have ever dealt with my hair or cut or braided it other than myself. I feel very connected with it, and it’s very ancestral to me. It also goes through a lot of transitions. It reflects my life sometimes and I really enjoy that. I love looking at pictures of me and remembering how I felt when I did that.
The world’s pretty messed up right now, so if you could build a new world, what would it look like through your eyes?
I mean the first thing that pops up into my head is this Afro-futurism mindset. I think of it as a world where we’re not even here and we’ve created our own planet or universe. I see a lot of art and I see a lot of community and I see a lot of growing things from scratch and cooking them ourselves.
In your interview with Voyage Ohio, I remember you saying you grew up feeling isolated and you even touched on that at the beginning of this interview. Do you still feel like that at times? How are you getting through that?
I don't feel it as much in my life now. A big thing for that is the people I surround myself with and the places I put myself. But I guess I've still felt isolated in work environments. With bigger businesses or corporate art businesses, I tend to not feel as seen sometimes, but it’s a lot easier for me to deal with it now. Now, I honestly just know my worth and I think the growth is just that. It’s the biggest thing — knowing I’m worthy and honestly that I’m that bitch.
It’s really hard to not feel isolated, but I try not to let it affect me because there are better things to be putting my energy into.
When we were in the studio, we saw the carnations from your grandma and some photos of your family next to the cassette tapes, and just a lot of memories splattered throughout your entire space. Why do you think you place such value on nostalgia?
Mmm. Wow, I do value nostalgia a lot. I think it makes me feel like “me” and that everything that I've lived through and the person I am today is like, they are all the same thing — they're real and amazing and I think that I really like reminiscing, and looking at pictures because it feels tender to me. It's a reassurance that I lived through that and I'm here now.
My hair is so sacred to me. My mom and my sister are the only people who have ever dealt with my hair or cut or braided it other than myself. I feel very connected with it, and it’s very ancestral to me. It also goes through a lot of transitions. It reflects my life sometimes and I really enjoy that.
When we were in the studio, we saw the carnations from your grandma and some photos of your family next to the cassette tapes, and just a lot of memories splattered throughout your entire space. Why do you think you place such value on nostalgia?
Mmm. Wow, I do value nostalgia a lot. I think it makes me feel like “me” and that everything that I've lived through and the person I am today is like, they are all the same thing — they're real and amazing and I think that I really like reminiscing, and looking at pictures because it feels tender to me. It's a reassurance that I lived through that and I'm here now.
Anything else you'd want to tell the folks over at TITLE?
The biggest thing I’ve been telling people is to try to look at every perspective that you can. And don’t be set in one way because you can get stagnant. Opportunities are always endless. And take care of yourself
This photoshoot and conversation took place on January 11th and 12th of 2023.
To see more of Cierra’s work, visit their profile on Instagram @sadfishsadfish and their online portfolio https://sadfishcreations.bigcartel.com/
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